Yes, it is true. All these women were once men, and you can see the images before and after the gender change. It is really unbelievable. Some of these ladies look very beautiful and feminine, but some of them still have some male features.
… i even think that i could trick myself into getting sexualy attracted and aroused by a female that i know was once a male …. thus i could pass for a normal heterosexual human….. .o) …
that is a joke of course
iqra mumtaz
wht rubbish???????????its not true as well………
Arman
I can’t believe on all of them. one photo that i know who is a guy and still a guy until now..LOL…there are fakes in here….
maya
Their all guys. lol
Fariborz
I love shemales
Mee Too
Me too. Might sound crazy but I think there is something extremely sexy about a women with a pretty face, nice boobs nice ass, and a penis. I am not at all attracted to men. I cannot think of anything more revolting than the thought of me with another man, but a shemale women is completely different. I am totally aroused at the thought of being with a beautiful shemale. Is that weird or what?
I am totally nit homosexual or even homophobic. I have no issue with homosexuality but for me same sex attraction just isn’t my thing but i can’t get enough of the shemale fantasy..
I’m Not
owww….., u are disgusting
i think that u have some sex problems
riley
nigga u gay
joe
You are disturbed. No one in society will accept you.
They are real women. Just because they didn’t have the fortune to be born in the correct body doesn’t make them any less of a woman. Trans people go through so much shit, just to be happy in their bodies, and to be seen by society as their true selves, and then you go and say that they are not “real” women or men.
That’s incredibly insulting.
Mizu
Wrong, they are not real women, not even close, its incredibly insulting to us women for confused men to think that just because you feel and do plastic surgery and genital mutilation with female hormones makes them a woman. We are NOT just a physical appearance.
Arisse
its not an insult. and who cares what gender we have? its the personality that makes a person.
Hmmm
It IS and insult, and personality is not gender, what kind of logic is that? Even if a man tried to change his gender he would always be a man no matter how he looks or what kind of person he is, if you have read this sentence and you are already offended then you may need psychological help. Unless they are diagnosed, they are men, and humanity should not be confused by society to believe so otherwise.
Humanimalien
Life is a subjective experience & gender is non binary.
Unless you want to live in a world where all the other people get to tell you who you are, stop trying to define other people. Take a class in gender study. Read a book on it.
Do you know any Trans Women? If no, then you can only hypothesize them as an insult. Until then, all of your assumptions about them are more purposefully insulting, ignorant, and hurtful. Take a class in gender study or read a book on it before you &#!% on people out loud.
Humanimalien
It’s insulting to me that you think Vagina = Woman, Honey. & How dare you speak for all of us!?
How are you insulted? Can you imagine what it’s like? Imagine waking up with the wrong genitals – now imagine that is how you wake up every time from now on – now imagine the world you wake up in is one that marginalizes your tremendous efforts to be identified as what you identify with. It’s pretty sad – people like you make it worse.
It’s unfair for me to ask you to imagine – like asking a rich man to imagine poverty. They exist as women socially. Isn’t that good enough? Why are everyone else’s genitals so important to you?
Tgirls make great sisters. Often they’ve been through too much pain to be uppity judgmental bitches.
Violet
But what you don’t understand is that someone’s gender in in their brain. Transgender women always felt female. It is not an insult to biologically born females at all. Imagine if you always had felt like you were male since you could remember but you had to go through your life pretending to be female. How would that have made you feel? Transgender people go through hell. People need to try to understand rather than
feeling angry or berating the person for just trying to live their lives. They are not horrible sickos, they just want to feel at home in their own bodies!
is this possible? do you have any website for this as a proof?
Fariborz
search internet for SHEMALE
alex
O_o!..wow..just amazing some look very purrty ^-^ however they may look like a chick but they’ll always be male on the inside..but they’re gorgeous though xDD LOL
J
Gorgoeous? Are you kidding? 80% of them are hideous, and as if these are even true representations at all anyway.
MyName
They’re not “male on the inside”. Transgender women before transition are female on the inside and male on the outside, so they transition to become female on the inside AND outside. After that, only the chromosomes are male, and who the fuck cares about those? You don’t fuck chromosomes.
Deannaz
You shouldn’t believe everything people tell you, SPECIALLY from a homosexual, you should go to 4th grade again to verify what male and females are.
Azimandia
Wait, are you truly sitting there bragging that your notion of gender hasn’t matured at all since the fourth grade?
That’s just something that needed to be pointed out, folks. These adults are trying to shame us with elementary school lessons, as if that is the highest state of the philosophical art on the matter.
Deannaz
Higher than your opinion of gender being a social state.
Azimandia
Spurious assertions are meaningless. If you’re approaching life from a fourth-graders ontology, I’m afraid there isn’t much about my life’s experience you’ll be able to empathize with.
tsundere
I’m not even going to bother with the narrow-minded hateful bigots trolling, it isn’t worth my time if they don’t bother to elucidate themselves about the many issues facing trans/intersex/hermaphrodites.
They missed some other famous male to female transsexuals on their list though, like Tsubaki Ayana, Alicia Liu, Nong Film, etc.
Arron
“You don’t fuck chromosomes.”
xDD That was probably the most incredibly thing I’ve ever read.
Caitlin
Makes me think that it’s possible to be anything or anyone you want to be if you put the effort in
JayTel
Money… if you put the money in
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wow~~i can hardly believe my eyes~~~
Carolina
Wow. Number 15 looks just like one of my best friends! (I know it ISN’T, cos I grew up with her, but they’re the spitting image of each other!)
SFCRetired
A better title would be “Men Who Became Surgically Mutilated Males.” Not to be critical of these folks, either. Some day, the medical arts will progress to the point where a person who wishes to change gender will be able to do so right down to the chromosome level. It just isn’t today.
Michellez
Unfortunately for them and fortunately for humanity a man will never be able to become a woman and lie to other people about really being a woman since something will always give it away, a woman is NOT just the body/mind you are born with, you cant replicate that with odd sexual desires caused by whatever happened to that person and it never will be possible, people can fall into darkness and get confused to think so, but the truth will remain, homosexuals deserve respect, hands down, but they must respect humanity and stop attempting to confuse the rest of the population, because deep down no matter what homosexual had this operation performed on them will always have that little voice inside telling them they just mutilated their bodies. I can even respect that they mutilate their bodies if they want to as long as they don’t try to confuse anybody into thinking they are women and not men.
Bea
Michellez, I am afraid that you are quite misinformed when it comes to gender alteration.
While once and a while homosexuals may undergo this operation, it is usually transgendered people who undergo a gender change.
Transgendered people are people who feel that they are ultimately trapped in the wrong genders body, who do not feel comfortable in the body they were born it.
In the cases of these individuals, most of them probably felt that they were trapped in the wrong body, that instead of having male genitalia, they should have female.
They will not have a little voice telling them that they are mutilating their bodies, if they have a little voice, it will be telling them that they are trapped in the wrong body until their successful operation. Most transgendered people will not feel comfortable with themselves until they are the gender that they feel they should be, and I see no problem with them telling other people that they are that specific gender.
Data
Actually shes right, transgenders people are just a theory with no scientific basis, but its really based on side effects, unless you mean like hermaphrodites and such, they have been known to be born with more than one defect other than genitalia, its horrible for someone to have to deal with that in their life, but there has never been a case of somebody trapped in the opposite gender’s body literally, nobody has ever been born in the wrong body.
Azimandia
“but there has never been a case of somebody trapped in the opposite gender’s body literally, nobody has ever been born in the wrong body.”
As someone who struggles with gender issues myself (hermaphrodite), and has sought out the company of other gender-flexible individuals, I have to ask, do you have any clue how both ignorant and self-righteous this judgment is?
First off, there are an entire spectrum of developmental disorders which cause individuals who are biologically one sex, to come out of the womb with the equipment of the other sex – physical gender phenotype depends entirely on a very specific sequence of hormones to the developing fetus. When this process gets interrupted, the simple fact is that boys come out with girls bodies (or vice versa), or the baby comes out with ambiguous gender.
That aside, though- have you ever met, or interacted with a transgendered individual? There is something truly magical about watching a shy, socially awkward guy blossom into a beautiful, socially outgoing and comfortable girl in front of your eyes. The simple fact is that traditional masculinity really sucks for some guys – they just don’t ‘get it’ intuitively, and they never flourish socially because of it. Too much in the masculine gender identity is simply not being female, regardless of personal preferences, tastes of aesthetics. Would you really dare tell these guys, who spend their entire lives being bullied and picked on for not being ‘man’ enough, and thrive once they give up their social obligation of ‘manhood’, that they weren’t trapped in their previous social gender role? Really?
Personally accepting a transgender nature is one of the most humiliating and scary realizations an individual can make. Most people are _not_ supportive, and even close family can balk at it. During the Uncanny valley (androgynous/mf stage) of the transition, these people receive constant sneers and negative attention in public – they know that society at large doesn’t value them. They know all the judgments, hell, they probably hold some themselves. The fact that anyone continues the process of transition despite all of the negative reinforcement should be a testament to you of exactly how necessary the self gender re-alignment really is. Changing genders generally requires changing friends and switching lives, it’s an incredibly expensive burden- But the rewards- finally feeling like you’ve found a roll and self-image that you’re comfortable experiencing the world in and sharing with other people, is just that important to them- they put up with all of it.
Who the hell are you to somehow tell them they’re wrong for finally being happy being themselves?
pktech
To those that understand and/or empathize with the Transgender (TG) community, I’m right there with you. To to the uninformed, some research would be my best suggestion.
I know several pre-op TG’s, and they really have been born with the wrong bodies/genitalia. They loathe the bodies they’re in, because they know it’s the wrong body/sex.
I’ve also know post-op TG’s, and they are so much more comfortable and confident with themselves–FINALLY they look like the sex were meant to be!
And before you think these ppl do it on a whim, or can just go to any plastic surgeon, think again. They have to go through a long period of testing–at the chromosomal level, I might add, to the person who thinks that genders can only truly be changed at that level. The Male to Female TG’s I’ve known are not XY’s like typical males. The Y chromosome is altered…it can be mis-shaped, looking almost like an X chromosome. There are too many ways to describe the differences, but they are not truly XY’s.
They also have to go through psychological exams, to determine if they really and truly feel trapped in the wrong body. Before they can even begin hormonal treatment prior to surgery, they have to live as their true sex for a number of years, to prove to themselves, and to their doctors, that they are in fact the wrong gender. Those years are painful, as they still have the wrong body, but are at least able to dress how they feel comfortable. I say painful, because this is the period where they are sneered at, called any number of names, from ‘homo’ to ‘tranny,’ etc. They are not transvestites, while many might think that. They are only wearing the clothes that they should be wearing because of their true gender. The workplace can be especially difficult–of they work in a place requiring name-tags, they will use their true gender name, and if their employers are understanding, they won’t reveal to co-workers what name is on their driver’s license.
One TG I know tried to tell his family he was really male. That disgusted them–they preferred to think their “daughter” was a lesbian than a male. (an odd mindset, but ppl will believe only what their minds will allow)
It is only after the period of living as their true gender that they get to start taking hormones. For Male to Female, that means their facial hair minimizes or stops entirely. Their hips broaden, and they start to develop breasts. Their skin softens, becomes more feminine. The inverse is true of Female to Male (less common, in my personal experience, but I don’t know the true ratio) Their skin coarsens, facial hair appears, and their breast tissue minimizes and they stop menstruating. (The Female to Male TG that I am friends with loathes this monthly reminder of being in the wrong body)
Only after their hormone treatments, which I believe continue for the duration of their lives, do they get to go under the knife of a plastic surgeon who specializes in that kind of procedure. It is a combination of the skill of the surgeon and the person’s physical build that determines the outcome. If a Male to Female TG is lucky, they are petite, so once they achieve their true gender, they look like a woman who was born a woman, etc. Female to Male TG’s aren’t generally as lucky, as they are generally the average height for a female, so once they have their male body, they are short compared to other men, plus are left with mastectomy scars when their breasts were removed.
But for all of them, despite anything that detractors might say against them, they are happy to at last be the sex they were meant to be.
(on a side note–once the procedure is finished, as far as I recall, their driver’s licenses are changed, reflecting both their new name and gender)
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
I don’t think many commenters here are interested in facts. Or as they’d say, “so-called ‘facts’” They know what they know, and facts won’t change their opinions. They have in Transsexual people someone that they can despise and look down on while not incurring societal disapproval. That gives them a feeling of security and superiority, something they desperately crave to hide their own inadequacies and failures.
It’s just human nature, unfortunately.
Add to that those who really want to have someone to hate – anyone will do – and with transsexuals, they can even pretend they’re doing God’s Holy Work, and you get many of the comments here. Just read them, and you’ll see what I mean. With these people though, it’s vitally important to them that they are able to portray their victims as monsters, evildoers, deceivers and more, rather than just “Freaks” as with the first group. They need to feel Righteous in their persecution, lest they feel conscience-stricken.
Again, all too human. They’re not particularly bad people,. and I do feel sorry for them.
Dr. China
@pktech Why do you keep bringing up hermaphrodites, we know who is physically twisted and who is emotionally twisted, if you were born with two different genitalia(hermaphrodites) then you should fix it once they realized your true gender, which I think is done the day you are born, either way, if people are misinformed about you having been a hermaphrodite don’t state as facts that all people who feel like they are trapped in the opposite gender’s body are as well, there is a different between homosexuals.
“A Male to Female TG does not “take it up the @$$.” Part of the surgical procedure involves inverting the !enis, creating a v@gin@. So their new v@gin@ is essentially comprised entirely of erectile tissue. Cosmetic surgery creates a c!itoris for them, so the resulting physical appearance is identical to that of someone that was born physically female.”
A broken deformed penis and a silicon clitoris…
“And I agree that a post-op TG would be deceitful to not tell a partner about his/her history. But as Azimandia said, most partners will know, as they are in a relationship with the TG person throughout the gender-changing process. A thing like that is hard to conceal. The Female to Male TG I am friends with is lucky to have found a wonderfully understanding and compasionate woman, who realizes that while ppl think they are !e$bians now, eventually they will be recognized as a male and female couple. I can only hope that all pre-op TG’s are able to find a partner that is so understanding. My heart goes out to them with what they are forced to endure–both with how they feel about themselves physically pre-op, and with how they are judged by misinformed or judgmental ppl.”
Very touching, and I do have to agree with you on that one, but unless he/she was truly hermaphrodite its just a lesbian that wanted to be the man, but I don’t know the full story so I cant really just go ahead and judge.
Azimandia
Thank you for feeling self-righteous enough to dictate to us how we can and can not see ourselves in the mirror. We’ll try to check with you before having any concepts of our own self-image in the future.
Meganese
Hey… whatever helps you sleep at night.
fariborz
search internet for SHEMALE U can find wonderful one
Lucifer Kaizer
Imagine..you meet a nice girl, dated her, married her, made love to her many times, then one day you found out she cant have kids coz she was a guy! How’d that make you feel? Accept her for who he is? or puke yourself to death?
Meganese
I would be disgusted over the man that would be evil enough to fool somebody like that, that is the only reason that I can see that transsexual men are a problem to society, trying to confuse everybody else, including themselves that they are women trapped in a man’s body and that they are hermaphrodites or transsexual with no diagnosis, but a psychological defect or simple choice of sexual preference like 90% of the cases, anybody that tells you otherwise is misinformed and confused, period.
Azimandia
“I would be disgusted over the man that would be evil enough to fool somebody like that, ”
We all would, that’s sick. It also doesn’t happen very often, and when it does, it exposes far more interpersonal issues that merely transexualism (Utterly failed faith, trust and communication between partners is one).
People who develop relationships with transgender individuals do so with the explicit knowledge of the transitioners status, such a life-altering change is not one that hides well in an intimate setting.
I wish you would understand that given the social backlash that comes with a transgendered label, if any of us had the _slightest_ choice in the matter we’d choose to be ‘normal’ in a second. This isn’t about choice, it’s about dealing with the reality of a mental situation that you cannot continue to hide from the world without aggressive self-destructive tendencies. One that, at least on the outset, you’re certain that _everyone_ in the rest of your life is going to hate you for. Fortunately you learn that there is a class of people who are open to cross gendered and androgynous individuals, and with them you can at least find a lack of self-loathing, but it is still an incredibly confusing, frustrating, and humiliating process in any case, and it takes a very long time.
It’s easy to preach about the sins of an affliction you have not suffered, and project it all as the choice of vice, For those who have experience with the afflicted, however, your projections of malevolence betray you as only a shrill pharisee. The sins of others in the eyes of God are not your concern.
JayTel
Christ you pair of narrow minded dipshits…
People that choose to undergo gender alteration aren’t inherently evil or misguided or “wrong”. Even if you want to label them as having “issues” or “problems”, hell at least they do something about it, which is a lot less than can be said for most of the rest of us. This issue of deception is so retarded it’s almost not worth replying too. Yes, you could have somebody twisted enough to do that, but most human beings, if genuinely in love with someone, would not be able to withhold such a vital secret. You could just as easily theorize a situation where a born female woman, incapable of having children due to medical complications lied to a partner about being able to have children so as to marry him. Or some other deception. It’s not like “these people” are inclined to deceive and hurt just because of who and what they are.
Go crawl back under your rocks.
kha ly
You must be really dumped if you dated, married some one and didnt have any clues about her and one day expect her to give you kids lol
she must be really good if she can fooled you to marry her, or may be you only use the head between your legs to think instead of the head between your shoulder.
now is 2010′s already we have the right to meet and date people and we have the time to find out about the one we going to get marry, unlike 1930′s those have to marry some one who is the parents set him up with. therefore if some one used the quot “Oh i didnt know any things about her…” it just full of shit.
To all who s out there that thinks other people have a wrong look or wrong body or wrong gender: who are you to judge other? those TG are the one who strong enough to have surgery should not be jugde by any one because no one can carry their pain before and after their surgery. To those who think they have the right to named other and thinks TG are hideous, you will never know how is that feel to be one unless you are the one.
finally to those who was born with different feeling and or physical, dont worry about other who dislike you for who you are. Dont worry what they say or think about you, because you are the one and the only who know how you feel and you are the only one who will have to live with it.
kha ly
You must be really dumped if you dated, married some one and didnt have any clues about her and one day expect her to give you kids lol
she must be really good if she can fooled you to marry her, or may be you only use the head between your legs to think instead of the head between your shoulder.
now is 2010’s already we have the right to meet and date people and we have the time to find out about the one we going to get marry, unlike 1930’s those have to marry some one who is the parents set him up with. therefore if some one used the quot “Oh i didnt know any things about her…” it just full of ****.
tony
shemale can make you pregnant, you know.?
Doc Awkward
False.
Transgenders can’t get anyone pregnant, or get pregnant themselves depending on the situation. The hormones and surgical procedures they undergo completely reverse the production of hormones in their bodies: Women lose the ability to produce eggs, and men have their testicles COMPLETELY REMOVED during surgery.
Of course, if you didn’t have your head up your ass like several people I’ve seen on here, you would realize that through simple logic.
Also, as a bisexual who is sympathetic to people dealing with issues with their sexuality or gender, I find the term ‘shemale’ to be incredibly offensive. These people are men and women, not something in between that is deserving of your scorn.
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creepy
Mee Too
Why on earth would it not let me spell. S.E.X. or P.E.N.I.S
lollk
it’s fake! how can a girl so young (she had already transformed herself) can have breasts
JR
The wonders of science, you can now fuck a man like you would with a woman.
Beyond the immediate friken ewww factor, some of them are totaly frakable and hot.
Problem is, they arent real wemen will never be…….
Lena
Some of these pictures aren’t even real. they are just random look alike features. Especially photo number 11. That dude is still a guy. He’s a fuckin singer!!! That photo of him was taken in the late 80′s early 90′s.
J
Oh come on, get serious. Almost all of these look hideous. The rest look as if they could be fake representations.
Augure
This homosexual propaganda.
Most of these are fake. Surgery can make some wonders, but nothing as close as most of these.
Don’t worry, if a girl looks like a real one and you have no doubt, she’s a real one.
The fucking media are just pushing homosexual propaganda further, and you’ll see the same kind of thing in TV shows, were perfectly feminine actress will play so-called ex-male who had surgery…
maxi
=) you really have no idea, do you? =)
Jenna
You seem to be entirely clueless.
Azimandia
Oh yes, we know… We are horrible, sub-human, evil people for daring believe that people deal with their personality and gender issues with a modicum of self-determination and respect.
The simple fact is that there is far less difference between boys and girls bodies than most traditionalists like to admit, and most transitioners who do it right fly completely under the radar. The main difference you do run in to is socialization/experience, and that just takes practice.
Don’t worry, sociopathic pharisees, while you will probably accidentally ogle these women in public, you can absolutely bet that you have absolutely no risk of ‘accidentally’ sleeping with any of them- you’re utterly fooling yourself if you think they’d even give you a second glance. Self-righteous chest-beating, scapegoat-happy tribalist eliminationists just really don’t appeal to us in any way, shape or form, so you’re all “safe”.
Stop calling us ‘fake’ and we’ll stop making fun of the cult of zombie jesus, Otherwise, just stay the fuck away and we’ll do likewise. No harm, no foul.
Meganese
“Oh yes, we know… We are horrible, sub-human, evil people for daring believe that people deal with their personality and gender issues with a modicum of self-determination and respect.”
Sounds more like your personal issues rather that what people think about you, just don’t complain when somebody finds it disgusting, in the end your a guy that likes taking it in the @$$, its disgusting but Im not going to call you a bad person over it, maybe a religious fanatic would.
“The simple fact is that there is far less difference between boys and girls bodies than most traditionalists like to admit, and most transitioners who do it right fly completely under the radar. The main difference you do run in to is socialization/experience, and that just takes practice.”
This only shows how confused and misinformed you are, you have no idea how chaotic the world would be if what you just said was true, women are not just a physical appearance and attitude,
“Don’t worry, sociopathic pharisees, while you will probably accidentally ogle these women in public, you can absolutely bet that you have absolutely no risk of ‘accidentally’ sleeping with any of them- you’re utterly fooling yourself if you think they’d even give you a second glance. Self-righteous chest-beating, scapegoat-happy tribalist eliminationists just really don’t appeal to us in any way, shape or form, so you’re all “safe”.”
These are not women, these are men(unless they were hermaphrodite females, this doesn’t include feeling like a woman trapped in a man’s body…), they will always be men does not matter if they look like the hottest girl in the world, they will still be men, you are so narrow-minded that you don’t see what gender really is, and for you its just a physical or a very thin wall, how dare you think of gender as a social demand and physical trait, how a person can fall into darkness to convince themselves of this puzzles me.
“Stop calling us ‘fake’ and we’ll stop making fun of the cult of zombie jesus, Otherwise, just stay the **** away and we’ll do likewise. No harm, no foul.”
So now you are blaming Christianity? Funny cuz last time I checked Christian hypocrite homophobes are a minority amongst Christians, maybe you think that because somebody told you. As long as you keep trying to force your confusion, like you are right now on humanity there will always be friction, your logic makes no sense and there is absolutely no harmony in it, it takes away the beauty of gender and turns it into something twisted and confusing, even when I try seeing myself in your shoes it still is that way to me, so I refuse to cloud my mind with your senseless logic and irrelevant values and I’m proud of it.
pktech
“Sounds more like your personal issues rather that what people think about you, just don’t complain when somebody finds it disgusting, in the end your a guy that likes taking it in the @$$, its disgusting but Im not going to call you a bad person over it, maybe a religious fanatic would.”
A Male to Female TG does not “take it up the @$$.” Part of the surgical procedure involves inverting the !enis, creating a v@gin@. So their new v@gin@ is essentially comprised entirely of erectile tissue. Cosmetic surgery creates a c!itoris for them, so the resulting physical appearance is identical to that of someone that was born physically female.
One thing I forgot to mention in regard to the hormonal treatments is that their vocal cords are affected, making their voices more feminine or masculine, as the case may be.
And I agree that a post-op TG would be deceitful to not tell a partner about his/her history. But as Azimandia said, most partners will know, as they are in a relationship with the TG person throughout the gender-changing process. A thing like that is hard to conceal. The Female to Male TG I am friends with is lucky to have found a wonderfully understanding and compasionate woman, who realizes that while ppl think they are !e$bians now, eventually they will be recognized as a male and female couple. I can only hope that all pre-op TG’s are able to find a partner that is so understanding. My heart goes out to them with what they are forced to endure–both with how they feel about themselves physically pre-op, and with how they are judged by misinformed or judgmental ppl.
Azimandia
” Sounds more like your personal issues rather that what people think about you, just don’t complain when somebody finds it disgusting, in the end your a guy that likes taking it in the @$$ ”
Excuse me? I have massive issues with anal sex, regardless of gender. I consider the lower intestine and anus to be far too unclean for intercourse with either males or females, and the thought or desire for it never crosses my mind. Methinks you doth project too much.
“you are so narrow-minded that you don’t see what gender really is, and for you its just a physical or a very thin wall, how dare you think of gender as a social demand and physical trait, how a person can fall into darkness to convince themselves of this puzzles me.”
Darkness? huh? I live a wonderful life surrounded by a beautiful community of self-determined hackers and makers. I’m grateful to the universe every day that I live here and now, doing the work I do for the causes I do, with the people I call friends. I have a very textured understanding of the concept of Gender, across multiple ontologies, as my circle expresses the entire planar nature of the XX and XY paradigms.
Again with this projection, my friends, as I know not this darkness of which you speak.
This entire response confuses me, as it contains nothing but blanket assertions of my incorrectness, followed immediately by assertive projections of my mental state that are utterly alien to my personal experience. I sense that you are an ontologically motivated artistic writer ‘annotating’ the web for your flock, an audience other than myself. Your post does nothing but make blanket unfounded assertions and projections about my mindset, self and quality of life, regarding the “Obvious” Shame I must feel.
I kindly ask the audience to note, aside from frustration towards those who project malice against us (and can you blame me for that?) Which of these two characters (Megenese and Myself) harbours and projects darker imagery? You’ll see the tree by it’s fruit methinks.
In any case, Meganese, I understand that my concept of gender is alien to you- that is a regrettable side effect of your ontology, and certainly nothing I can influence here. The only impression I wish to leave is that trans-people will inevitably have no interest in you(or any who think like you) whatsoever. Your entire ‘we’re being tricked’ point is utterly fallacious strawman… reality called, your check bounced. Yall are just a little too primitive of beings to waste precious life-time around, sorry…
You all have nothing to worry about. We’ll leave your little brainwashed ontologically pure “Truth” bubbles alone. There are _many_ more interesting people in the world to keep us entertained to bother with people stuck upon worshiping their death.
I’m sorry, good luck.
Meganese
Im so sure I just got rejected by a gay guy online, that’s a first, actually I don’t even have a response to that, you basically shut me up and I hope what you say is true, because in such way I could easily learn to respect any gay person that didn’t try to force their ideals/confusions or which ever on others, I really would.
Deannaz
How is any of this relevant to you being a homosexual? Weather you like taking it in the @$$ or on a deformed penis shaped with a silicon v@gina a homosexual is homosexual either way, Meganese sounded a bit rough, but he is correct, you cant believe everything society tells you, such as agree that homosexuality is normal or your a homophobe.
Azimandia
Deannaz, Why is it that your ontological cabal is so certain that I’m a ‘homosexual’? A sizable portion of transgender women I know are lesbians, so based on your ‘their still men’ judgment (which you are free to assert, but they really don’t care), these are perfectly normal heterosexual males who simply prefer a more female-female style lesbian relationship free from chest-beating machismo.
Most mtf transgender actually tend to be a little intimidated and put off by openly gay men, whose notions of aggressive feminine hybrid sexuality are somewhat alien to us (even though they tend to find us incredibly attractive). If I was ever to even conceive of a relationship with a man, it would need to be a fairly typical raver-human-tribal male female dynamic with me fully in the female role or I wouldn’t be interested.
As for the ‘think of the children’! Commentary on here- When I visit my family and interact with my nieces and nephews, I go out of my way to project masculine and to be the male uncle role model they’ve always known. The reason for this is simple – life was much simpler before I questioned my gender, and I don’t want my nephew to live his adolescence afraid he ‘might turn into a girl’. When their adults, if they interact with my social crowd of their own accord, I will have no problem showing them the ‘other’ me, but while they’re impressionable children, I instead choose to focus showing them my cool geeky pilot uncle side.
And that returns to my fundamental point – the level of scapegoating projection on this page is incredible- You all simply assume we are all of these horrible things simple because we have an issue, psychiatric, physical, cognitive behavioral, whatever- that we are trying to cope with. Most transpeople are _incredibly_ sensitive to the opinions on their status of the people around us, and at least where I live, there are plenty who accept us as we are such that we feel no need to interact with or ‘sully’ ya’lls little ontological bubbles… It’s just too much work.
Seriously people, grace comes from self-focus and judgment, not blame projection onto the ‘other.’ The people you condemn are not people who chose their affliction. Perhaps, yes, we do live in a bubble. Perhaps you live in a bubble, perhaps we all live in bubbles- we can argue until we’re red in the face about whose ontological group-think is ‘righter’- but that doesn’t change the fact that your all here violating basic humility and self-righteousness teachings of your own Christ to condemn old-law behavior – You’re pharisees. I’m sorry.
My message remains the same – live and let live. We’ll stay away from your bubble, you stay away from ours.
Deannaz
Wait what? A man who does a transsexual operation is a homosexual, not a woman or a… feminine man.
“My message remains the same – live and let live. We’ll stay away from your bubble, you stay away from ours.”
Aslong as there is no bubble touching going on I have to agree with you on that one.
Azimandia
“Wait what? A man who does a transsexual operation is a homosexual, not a woman or a… feminine man.”
What part of “Your ignorance in this matter only reflects poorly on your proclaimed ideology” don’t you understand? Everything is a homosexual from your limited perspective – it’s an epithet your hurl with self-righteous indignation on all but nuclear family heterosexuality.
The idea that there could be multiple axis and an incredible amount of diversity is simply beyond your dismissive comprehension. Fine, you think I’m a homosexual. I homosexual born and socialized male who now only sleeps with women, but that minor detail is obviously irrelevant to you.
“Aslong as there is no bubble touching going on I have to agree with you on that one.”
Says the person coming on to a thread about transgenders, not religious studies, to lecture everybody about the utterly obvious issue your ontology has with transgender individuals. Excuse me hun, but this article isn’t about you, and the people in question don’t give a shit what you have to say – we got past the 4th grader mindset you’re stuck in decades ago.
Deannaz
Then lets call day night, and night day, lets claim that the moon is made of cheese and the sun is made from Sunny D, the sea is blue because the fish say blu and Im not a girl, Im a man that looks like a woman but tomorrow I could be a fish. You have basically ignored logic and reason to create your own, one that you had to convince yourself because you wanted to, its as if you think you are up there with a higher understanding, because you need to be, but you seem to be a smart person so you get what I mean, but I suppose either way its your right to do what you want with your life if that makes you happy, weather nature disagrees or not, still I insist children should be protected from such influence, not saying your like a pedo or anything, you seem like a good person, but fish don’t run on land… I think.
Yeahuh
Um.. Meganese, I can get the real message behind these words…
Yeahuh
Yea I wonder who is living in a bubble here, wonder if that passive aggressiveness works for you anywhere else but the internet. Meganese you should never hold back, remember these are the people who are forcing gender confusion on society, they are not worthy of hate because they are not bad people, not even worth trying to make them see the light, but we still have to protect the children of tomorrow from getting gender confused because of our decaying society, so like the rest I have to agree with Meganese.
Issa
“but we still have to protect the children of tomorrow from getting gender confused because of our decaying society”
What does society have to do with gender confusion? It’s a biological ‘condition’. Your statement is the same as saying that people with autism is due to our decaying society.
Yeahuh
Thats the same excuse many use, there is no evidence homosexuality is biological, in fact its not, there is more psychological evidence than there has ever been for thousands of years on homosexuality.
Dena
You really have no idea do you… I will try to explain it to you in the simplest way possible there is night and day, yin and yang, male and female, qi xu and qi shen, water and earth, north and south, push and pull, left and right, light and darkness and so on, balance is the essence of life itself, everything you say and do on absolutely every day tasks require balance, if you are going against the valuable purpose of which you were born that is your choice, not saying if you ruined your body you therefor have no value because its not true, but understand society wont agree with it but its not their fault even if its broken, but like I said don’t try forcing people into accepting your ways just so you can get a gay partner.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
Just because you’d trick someone to go to bed with them doesn’t mean that everyone else is as morally challenged as you are. You do know that many trans people are Gay or lesbian, don’t you? Probably not. Your arrogance and malice is only exceeded by your ignorance.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
*** = @ay ******* = 1esbian
Megasaurush
And your ignorance is only exceeded by your aggravating attitude, this is not the place for you to comment, your logic makes no sense and there is no balance or harmony in it, you speak of hermaphrodites when these are homosexuals. Homosexuals truly convince themselves many time that they are trapped in the wrong body, and there are too many cases of deception.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
Quote from Sexual Hormones and the Brain: An Essential Alliance for Sexual Identity and Sexual Orientation Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35
The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.
So… given that these people all have feminised neuro-anatomy,. a difference that can be seen on MRI scans and in autopsies – why do you say they are “homosexual”? Some are – or rather, they’re lesbians, attracted to other women. Others have more obvious Intersex conditions, as noted in the text.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
Oh, and please don’t use the word “hermaphrodite” except in its strictly technical meaning, “possessing both testicular and ovarian tissue”. Most Intersexed people do not, and the term is something of a slur..
My logic may lack balance and harmony, but if so, I merely reflect biological realities.
As someone who was (mis)diagnosed on the basis of a simple physical examination and a few blood tests as a mildly Intersexed male in 1985 (undervirilised fertile male syndrome, a form of Androgen insensitivity Syndrome), and re-diagnosed 20 years later as the result of ultrasounds, genetic tests, MRI scans etc as a severely Intersexed female, I’ve had to learn more than most about the issue.
Technically, I’m a protandrous dichogamous pseudohermaphrodite – meaning born looking mostly male, changing to look mostly female later. Protogynous dichogamous pseudohermaphrodites whose change is in the opposite direction are far more common, but still pretty rare.
So if anyone is qualified to comment, I think I am.
Megasaurush
I see, I have been under the assumption that you were just another confused homosexual,I feel like an idiot right about now, I’m sorry I wasn’t aware about your situation, in such case then you really are a woman and I have to apologize, thanks for clarifying.
Tho homosexuals many times homosexuals will think they are women trapped in a man’s body without any biological problems(lack of testosterone can be cause by external factors too), making people like you with a real disorder, rare or not, look like homosexuals in the eyes of others, I can see how one would get confused since most are homosexuals, I guess the difference would be in psychology and biology.
Dr. China
Random scientific fact! In Traditional Chinese Medicine, people who train to see chi energy confirmed that male chi currents enter from above of their bodies to below, and females from below of their bodies and up, and circles in the direction of the Ecuador(magnetic center line of the planet) east goes counter-clockwise and westerners go clockwise.
pktech
What are you trying to say? Are you referring to TG’s, or to men and women that were born into gender-correct bodies? How does the chi energy flow for a Male to Female TG or a Female to Male TG? Is it the opposite of what is expected, based on their physical gender, or is it the same, as if they were true Males or Females?
Dr. China
Thats a very tricky question, I asked that a long time ago to a more experienced Chi Gong doctor, I have not confirmed this myself since Its not my field of specialty to see Chi energy, but he claims that even hermaphrodites or transgenders have a specific gender, regardless of physical appearance, which is why one of the genitals works better than the other if it works, so basically a non hermaphrodite if its the correct term, that then gets this supposed sex change operation will still be a man, even if the change were to be completely biological which would in fact be chaotic to the body, the brain will still look for the testicles and the Chi flow will not be smooth, increasing the chance of body sickness or emotional sickness. But like I said I have not personally confirmed this but I know a number of experienced masters who have seen this, most just tell me its chaotic to mess with the balance and harmony of nature, which has proven to be true, hopefully people wont actually die over this.
What is certain tho is that at least so far, this is the only sure way to specify gender, basically this is how it works, you know how toilets in the east the water spins counter clockwise, if you do it in the center of the planet it doesn’t spin, and if you do it around America it spins clockwise? Or other way around cant seem to remember, but yes water is a direct manifestation of Chi energy like all elements, so are the magnetic fields of the planet, chi spirals down a male’s body in such way every time you breathe. Females go from the bottom up, I guess you can say it does reflect harmony in the body given how both bodies work, but if the operation is made, like I said it creates a twisted chaotic effect, it manifests in a Qi Xu frequency, this is what they call a chi void. I guess there is no harmony in it even if it was a full genetic change, but I still have a lot to confirm.
rkki
SOOOOOOO FAKE
http://www.alj0d.com Mohammed
all this pic. its’ 4 real men, but we called SHEMALE OR TRANNY …
O_o
yfhft
man the 3rd one was so hot as a guy!!!
=/
Rebecca
Number nine is Harisu, a Korean Transsexual pop singer. I really like her. She’s been in a few movies too.
Wasabi
He if he did the sex change because he felt like he was a woman trapped in a man’s body, she if she was born hermaphrodite.
andres
This is Homosexual Propaganda at its best!!!
This people won’t achieve eternal happiness…
Wasabi
So true.
Issa
I’m a transsexual. Are you saying i’m going to hell just because I’m alive?
Meganese
According to religious extremist yes, but those people can be just as blind as anybody claiming they are a woman trapped in a man’s body without being a hermaphrodite female. The sin would be to destroy your body to make it look like a female by convincing yourself or being convinced by another homosexual, when deep inside your soul you know its not true, have you heard hypnotized homosexuals? Many make some chocking confessions, but each has their own reasons to be confused. I know I’m speaking in second person but I don’t mean this directly to you, for all I know you really were born hermaphrodite and went through with it for understandable reasons.
Azimandia
“According to religious extremist yes, but those people can be just as blind as anybody claiming they are a woman trapped in a man’s body without being a hermaphrodite female. ”
*sigh*
Anyone who feels a need to waste their time online telling anonymous strangers online how wrong they are is a religious extremist. Otherwise why the fuck bother, there is so much to do in this life, why waste it crusading for your god, as if you somehow can’t trust them to pull through for you when necessary?
Most of us really do not give any shit what the rest of us believe. As long as we’re subjectively good people- as long as our communities are full of love and appreciation, the specific ontological tenets of the members is but so much irrelevant detail. That is because most of us hold ontological tenets that are not threatened by the mere existence of others.
“The sin would be to destroy your body to make it look like a female by convincing yourself or being convinced by another homosexual, when deep inside your soul you know its not true, have you heard hypnotized homosexuals? Many make some chocking confessions, but each has their own reasons to be confused.”
Your tendency to dehumanize and dismiss the term ‘homosexuality’ based on a few choice examples designed to reinforce your bias has blinded you to an incredibly deep ontological reality of gender that is as textured and diverse as the number of participants with an understanding of the concept. That’s fine, I mean, it doesn’t bother us, although we feel sorry for you that you feel a need to self-flagellate so extremely.
I understand that I am displaying a certain level of hypocrisy right now, wasting life time and energy confronting ontological trolling with counter-trolling isn’t exactly the most rational of choices in this matter. That said, I figured that future web-archivists would appreciate the perspective of someone actually going through the mental transition process, as opposed to simply what a bunch of religious extremists wish to project the affliction as.
In any case, peace and good will. May our greater humanity outweigh our lesser solipsism.
Peanut
Man I am so glad Im open minded enough not to buy this and not to be homosexual, there is almost absolutely NO balance or harmony in this post. And Im pretty sure he is not religious, I have been reading comments here to pass the time, sad I know.
“Most of us really do not give any **** what the rest of us believe. As long as we’re subjectively good people- as long as our communities are full of love and appreciation, the specific ontological tenets of the members is but so much irrelevant detail. That is because most of us hold ontological tenets that are not threatened by the mere existence of others. ”
Ive been reading your comments too, and I have to agree with this paragraph, but you have to stop assuming when people disagree with you that they are hating you, specially over the internet were the message is intended for the world.
Carlos
It is so amazing just how narrow-minded people can be when the term transgender or transsexual is brought up. They are not “shims” or “she-males”, or freaks of nature. They are people who have had nature play a very nasty joke on their physiognomy. As extremely young children they may understand that something is wrong. But as they begin to mature even in their early years, they begin to realize that things are not what they ought to be. They also get to realize that they often have to hide what they are and how they are, because of the fear and hatred that would be brought against them if people were to be made aware of their circumstances. So they have to camouflage themselves, sometimes even from family members. Imagine yourself being born like this, where your mind is hardwired for a sex opposite than the gender of your body, and not being able to tell anyone or very few because you will likely be attacked in a myriad of ways, ranging from emotional hardships, to physical attacks. If you are a female transgender child, you will not being able to play with dolls, or put on dresses like other girls or have to play games and sports that are typically male and having to hide the fact that you may not like to do so.
Transgenders have always been what they are. Either a female or a male in the wrong body. This has nothing to do with God or religion, or sinning and should not ever be brought into defining transgenders of either sex. Their minds make them either totally make or female. What is wonderful for them is that at least we live in a time where the medical technology has advanced far enough to at least make physical changes that will make their existence more palatable to them. Hopefully if medical technology advances far enough, the errors of nature will be corrected to the point of a transgender being able to be altered genetically into the genuine article, without any further needs for medications to be applied.
What makes a gender is not the body, but the mind. That is why those born like this have such a determined drive to have their bodies changed to what it ought to be looking like, to make their lives more satisfying and fulfilling and less stressed.
Likewise, for a man who meets one of these “women”, and begins to interact with her on a social level, must be of very strong character once they find out about their transgender nature. Other men will think them to be homosexuals, and lovers of freaks. Truth be told most pre-op male to female transgender may not want the man in their lives use their penis for sexual gratification. As far as these women are concerned, that is just an odd thing that should not be there.
As far as the man not knowing what these women have done to achieve their gender reassignments, most transgender women will tell the man that begins to show genuine affection for them, because they know that it is better to be honest in the beginning of a relationship, or they may face harm if they lie about it for too long. There are also the legal repercussions of a man who may fall in love and wish to be with a transgender female, not being able to marry her. Or have children with her, even though children may be gotten by adoptions. However, adoption agencies, child welfare workers and judges have often being staunchly discriminatory against transgender people during the adoption process.
Loving a transgender may not be everyone’s cup of tea. But if you do override your biases about them and truly decided to genuinely and passionatedly love one, considering how difficult for a transgender female or male to find someone who will truly love them and support them unconditionally, you as a lover or companion of a transgender may have found someone who will truly work hard with you into making the relationship work and be emotionally satisfying for both of you. You may be in for an astounding surprise indeed.
Truthful
Ever heard of psychological defects? There is no such thing as being born in the wrong body, it has NEVER happened, hermaphrodites yes, but not to such an extent, its simply homosexual propaganda, misinformation and confusion that the real narrow-minded spread because it is their opinion, and an absolute lie they want the world to believe, not even medical science agrees with them.
Azimandia
You may choose to term them ‘psychological defects,’ but that is irregardless of the fact that even if you are correct, they are among the most socially and emotionally positive ‘defects’ in their personal experience. Assuming transpeople are able to get past self-hate spawned by the viotrol and projection of ‘anti-sin’ crusaders like yourselves, they find very quickly that stepping past their male machismo into a more socially supportive female role is one of the greatest, most rewarding steps they’ve made in their personal development. The ‘reproduce-or-be-nihilist’ jealousy and anger that typifies a great deal of ‘male’ mating behavior is at once both incredibly innate and very socially destabilizing/destructive. Some of us have realized an ability to short-circuit that behaviorist impulse within ourselves, self-sacrificing our male ego in exchange for a far less adversarial perspective on our immediate social interactions. A side effect of this self-treatment, is we tend to start to feminise, focusing our formerly-projected notions of sexual feminine beauty instead on our self reflection.
Once you get past the typical ‘sinner guilt’ that the pharisees spew sew in the name of ontological purity and see the truly incredible net-increase in social karma that comes from not suspecting every male around you from trying to ‘steal’ what is ‘yours’, the transition becomes very ego-syntonic – just about the only social downside is the fear of encountering a violent ontological idealist outside of ones protective social circle, well that and the fact that you basically have to become a socialist, as there is very little opportunity to advance in the corporatist/capitalist world. Some of us do grow to resent having to maintain the capacity to project male in order to assure safe passage through parts of the country, and it’s certainly a barrier to the greater embrace of all things feminine that our subconscious enjoys once we’ve stepped free of traditional gender roles, but such is the cost of free society.
Basically, if any of you are considering rationalizations of transitioning, the most honest advice I can give is – yes, people like our crusader friends here will hate you. They can’t help it. It sucks, but there is nothing we can do. That said, they over-estimate the importance of their ontology as society as a whole, and the truth is that most people are completely cool with whatever you choose to project as, Male, Female, or Androg. I find playing up my femininity actually works as a useful social litmus test- those who have a problem with it aren’t going to be on a my wavelength anyways, it’s a useful way to keep self-righteous blowhards away from you and not wasting your time telling you how right they are.
Fortunately this is a very diverse universe, and those who do will be incredibly warm and supportive… The haters can have their self-righteous judgment and hate, but that doesn’t mean the rest of us have to pay attention.
I don’t know why i’m transgender. I don’t give a shit. I didn’t choose it, but if I fight it, I do incredible damage to my spirit and ego – one could say that to try and deny my transgender status has the same will-energy defeating characteristics of trying to deny my Goddess. I simply deal with the hand life dealt me, and observe-with-hindsight that despite the fear and guilt of social rejection I felt initially, I feel so much more at peace now than I ever did living as a self-serving objectivist male.
And if any of you all have a problem with that, tough. Seriously, it’s not your fucking problem. Our relationship with our ontological creator is our own damned problem, not yours. Mind your own damned business and stop searching for things to get angry about, it’s seriously bad fucking karma, lay off.
Truthful
What do you mean by male machismo? A man can be strong yet caring, Im a man and I have loved men before as real close friends, doesn’t mean I have to **** them or that Im gay(why is G@y censored?). How ever in a sense it is your problem as you said, but what I mean is, defenelly wouldn’t want my kids thinking its ok to have s e x with the same gender, I’m not a religious person, but I know how disgusting it is for them to insert their thing in a hairy hole full of fecies and then being told some emotional things to confuse em into thinking that they should enjoy that and get STDs and other infections from the bacteria and friction with rashes, but Im sure another homosexual would introduce anti-bacterial lube. Oh snap Im sorry I know Im being offensive, I tend to babble, you dont really deserve that but Im trying to make a point generally.
Now, YOU may not be trying to spread homosexuality as a plague as if you were trying to recruit, I applaud you for that and infact I believe you deserve alot of respect, but look at the society we both live in, not going to tell you that there aren’t homophobes and sick people in this world, but look at it this way, now their even trying to force Christianity into changing their rules to allow gay marrige, regardless if a minority within the Christian community hates homosexuals(homophobe) or not, we cannot just be intolerant about a religion thousands of years old so they can change their rules that were meant for procreation just because of homosexual urges/confusions/feelings/bubbles, and if they don’t change it then every Christian is a homophobe, see how that works? Me either I can rarely understand humanity at all.
Kamyar
intresting!
for guys who said its unacceptable!
unfortunantly it is acceptable but just not for you!if you dont read the titel you could never guess that their not a women!
anyway i proud of human sciences but it could be scary some day!;)
Deannaz
There are many reasons why its unacceptable, that’s one of them, what is unacceptable is that they try to spread confusion, homosexuals I mean not hermaphrodites.
Azimandia
In her case Deanna’s “Spread Confusion” translates to “Dare to talk from any ontological perspective but my own hyper-anti-sin reaction-formation.” The very fact that transgender people can live normal, happy, fulfilled lives fundamentally threatens the ontological reality of some people, if that were true, a bunch of assumptions they make about the universe would prove contradictions and they’re terrified they would slide into a helpless nihilism without the motivation and emotional support their god provides them.
Thus they feel this incredible urge to make sure that voices like mine, of happy, healthy, well adjusted gender malformants be immediately annotated with all manners of projections regarding the ‘obvious’ shame we feel… We cannot be allowed to simply speak for ourselves, as our un-”interpreted” prose might accidentally let some child some where know that some people loose their concrete grasp on social gender identity and still live great lives.
Oh the humanity.
Deannaz
And there it is, bringing up God again and the social order of things. I haven’t said homosexuals don’t have a right to be happy, its common sense that all living creatures should be respected, you are simply, pardon me, aimlessly pulling judgmental stuff off your @$$ that are completely irrelevant to the situation in an attempt to dismiss comments, I’m very sure you have said the same thing many times to others that disagree with homosexuality. But that’s ok, I have never been one to give into peer pressure and the decaying society in other matters, and I hope who ever reads this actually thinks for themselves and keeps an open mind, its not like if you disagree with homosexuality that you have to hate them, people can find it extremely disgusting, in fact it is and it is not natural yes, we can educate our children well so that they don’t fall, but whats the point of hating each other over stupid things when we have many problems to solve.
http://www.naeem.pk Naeem
nice photos
toto
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo my god
Transsexuals are inspiring people.
Loved seeing this.
Dam Dam
I feel so sorry for you and these people.
Azimandia
Why? If they’re not sorry for themselves, why do you feel a need to be sorry for them?
Jenna
I like feet, maybe I am a foot trapped in a man’s body because if there is a God he made a mistake, maybe we should call it foot-o-sexual and force Christianity to modify their legal rules so that people can marry their feet together separately from a full marrige, maybe I should get an operation to make my body look more like a foot so that I can be who I really am and if you don’t like it and dont accept me as a foot or agree to my life style choice you are a foot-o-phobe and a terrible person, shame on you, cant you see I am a foot trapped in a man’s body you narrow-minded nazis?! When I was a kid I liked to used my feet alot to run, that’s how I found out I was a foot-o-sexual.
Point made.
Azimandia
Methinks you doth anthropomorphise your body parts too much. Point returned.
Jenna
Me thinks you should take biology again, point blown out of the water.
Azimandia
Excuse me? Point not even addressed. You cannot win a debate simply by stating you did.
Jenna
I win because I say so, no I’m just joking. x3 But its all relative, male sex organs, chi current, hormones, chromosomes, just because there is a defect doesn’t mean a man is a woman, there is always a way to identify gender, and a self-proclaimed woman trapped in a man’s body doesn’t count.
Issa
Point Retarded
L
Azimandia, let me say that i think you are an outstanding individual, both from my (though limited) understanding of your personal trials and experiences and your openness in the expression of your own views, both societal and spiritual.(did i hear ‘Goddess’?)
As a practicing occultist and pagan dealing with my born-again christian father’s narrow-mindedness at home and in his dealings with others, I appreciate your viewpoint as i am able to perceive it.
However, I do feel that you have been, if only slightly, contrived in your seeming conclusion that these arguments against the integrity of the LGBT community as a whole are motivated by some negativity campaign of the christian church. I’m sure that, in your discretion, you will recall that the proportion of the church that could be classified as ‘extremist exclusionist’ is minimal at most. (Though, undoubtedly, the portion frustrated by the equality of marriage legislation is comparatively higher) I’d perceive that you have undergone a good deal of discrimination on the basis of religion by such folk as would insist they are ‘saving your soul’, even in addition to discrimination on the basis of projected gender roles.
Judgmental, pigheaded, ignorant factions with no interest behind their actions and words beyond their ulterior need for some sort of secure camaraderie, some flock of sheep to bleat along with, will always exist. And they DO come from all walks of life.
Azimandia
L,
I am fully aware that eliminationist ontologies are rare among the incredibly diverse label of Christianity. You’re absolutely correct, I am projecting far too much. I’m done here.
Thanks, -Azi
L
Very well blessed be, then, Azi.
Noting
Oh come on. 2/3rds of these are comparing adults females to infants/babies/toddlers. How in the world would you ever be able to compare the two? Such lies.
http://none laurie
a while back, my mom mailed me a newspaper clipping that a fellow i dated in high school got a sex-change operation,
aside from the fact that it didn’t do much for my ego, after finding out the details of the surgery made me cringe at the thought of genitals being, well, surgically mutilated is the only term i can think of,
so someone would have to have an awful good reason to undergo that kind of operation, there’s probably a lot of stress that they get from family and friends not to mention the time it takes to adjust to a new body.
yes, i feel sorry for them. but proud too.
Thejew
what? why do you feel sorry for them, just look at the pictures, they are much happier after the surgery
Jenny
Its disgusting, specially how they think women are just a physical difference… kinda offensive to us women.
Thejew
i dont care if they have a dick, some of those look incredibly hot and you cant tell they are men, im not gay. but i would take a bj from any of the hot women in this gallery any day
This is unbelievable (O.O)
No, some of these are fake!
http://TheRodZone.com Rodney Barbati
I guess I am going to have to give my two cents worth on the subject.
First off, for you ignorant bigots who think homosexuality is something you need to protect youjr kids from, I invite you to go to any lake in the spring time and observe the ducks – yes ducks! You will undoubtedly observe many male/female pairs – you can tell they are paired because they stay close together and the male will generally fend off other males. You will also undoubtedly observe male/male pairs.
I suppose it is far too complex for you to grasp that homosexuallity is a naturally occuring behavior – and not just in humans. I guess in your world the male/male paired ducks are choosing to be gay – and that just so they can throw it in the face of their duck society.
That being said, it will possibly stun you to consider the fact that any behavior occuring in any human being MUST be considered normal human behavior – else a human would not have done it. You confuse normal human behavior with accepted social behavior.
And finally, for those religious zealots out there – you know who you are – who base all of their right to persecute gay and transgendered folks on the basis that they choose to be gay and/or transgendered – I have a challenge for you. One that you will absolutely fail in. And don’t think that you could not persecute others – your churches just recently spent 10′s of millions in order to outright lie in public towards the vaunted goal of preventing loving couples from being wedded. How lofty and equally pathetic a goal that is.
Since you believe that gays and transgendered persons choose to be the way they are, the challenge is simple, and you already know the answer (but keep it locked away inside so you can agree with your religious institution). If you are a man, I challenge you to bring yourself to desire another man’s hairy butt – Oh, and please keep this board informed as to your progress.
You know completely that you would never be able to do it – so why do you think others are capable of doing it. You either are or your not – choice doesn’t have anything to do with it. The only choice these people make are whether or not they are finally going to accept themselves – and people like you are a major obstacle to them being able to do just that.
The fact of the matter is that any post op transgendered person has more balls than you could ever even imagine yourself having – these people are strong willed enough to stand against your weak, borrowed faith – they have seen the world for what it is, and find their place in it. You guys accept a vision of the world as seen through the eyes of some 4000 years dead tribal person, and believe that it is your belief. And then start to think that you have faith.
The truth is you have nothing – nothing that wasn’t borrowed or spoon fed you since you were born. The truth is that you do not care enough about your environment to even give it the smallest portion of your attention. The truth is you are LAZY and you are a SHEEP, and you are perfectly happy to have someone else tell you what to think and what to believe.
You people disgust me because you can’t even talk to another human being as a human being because you have an agenda – before you even know someone, you have an agenda. I look forward to the day when common sense prevails, where men and women can approach each other as people first, and steadfast religious folks like you are basically treated as if they were retarded.
Jenny
There is SO much wrong in this post that Im going to have to reply by sections.
-”I guess I am going to have to give my two cents worth on the subject.
First off, for you ignorant bigots who think homosexuality is something you need to protect youjr kids from, I invite you to go to any lake in the spring time and observe the ducks – yes ducks! You will undoubtedly observe many male/female pairs – you can tell they are paired because they stay close together and the male will generally fend off other males. You will also undoubtedly observe male/male pairs.
I suppose it is far too complex for you to grasp that homosexuallity is a naturally occuring behavior – and not just in humans. I guess in your world the male/male paired ducks are choosing to be *** – and that just so they can throw it in the face of their duck society.”-
Let be start by pointing out that you are already wrong on a couple of things, for starters there is NO homosexuality in the animal kingdom, the word homo is for human… second, I bet it never crossed your mind that two males cant hunt for food together and get along without being a lover pair, you simply assume they are sexual mates. I suppose you will now point out the wolf pack homosexual propaganda about only the alpha male mating with a female and the rest of the males mate with each other? May as well clarify that while Im here, given the choice those wolves who cannot have a female would rather mate with a female as observed, if you must know they hump each other because many male animals in mating season feel pain and a lot of discomfort in their reproductive organs, obviously a human doesn’t need to do this I mean.. we have hands.
-”That being said, it will possibly stun you to consider the fact that any behavior occuring in any human being MUST be considered normal human behavior – else a human would not have done it. You confuse normal human behavior with accepted social behavior.”-
Wrong again, I suppose Hitler, Napoleon, terrorists, girl that throws puppies on the lake for fun, murderers, rapists and child molesters are normal human behavior? Notice how all of these things are always based on some psychological defect, Im not saying homosexuals are as horrible as these people, they are not given that homosexuality doesn’t make a person bad, but that still does not get rid of the fact that homosexuality is not normal or natural, and I applaud the people who defend against society’s confusion to believe so otherwise.
-”And finally, for those religious zealots out there – you know who you are – who base all of their right to persecute *** and transgendered folks on the basis that they choose to be *** and/or transgendered – I have a challenge for you. One that you will absolutely fail in. And don’t think that you could not persecute others – your churches just recently spent 10’s of millions in order to outright lie in public towards the vaunted goal of preventing loving couples from being wedded. How lofty and equally pathetic a goal that is”-
What makes you think all Christians believe in the church? Anyways, gay marrige is stepping into dangerous ground, it shows intolerance towards christianity and lack of understanding, despite the church clearly loathing homosexuality, because Im 100% sure they do, but regardless of that, christianity is a religion thousands of years old and marrige was made with the purpose of a man and a woman marrying to procreate like nature intended, just changing the rules so homosexuals can satisfy their egos is not a reason to modify a religion, why cant you people just live together and leave religions alone? Maybe they will back off too for once.
-”Since you believe that **** and transgendered persons choose to be the way they are, the challenge is simple, and you already know the answer (but keep it locked away inside so you can agree with your religious institution). If you are a man, I challenge you to bring yourself to desire another man’s hairy butt – Oh, and please keep this board informed as to your progress.
You know completely that you would never be able to do it – so why do you think others are capable of doing it. You either are or your not – choice doesn’t have anything to do with it. The only choice these people make are whether or not they are finally going to accept themselves – and people like you are a major obstacle to them being able to do just that.”-
You almost got me there, but problem is homosexuality isn’t the only psychologically-based unatural human behavior, there’s people who eat rotten food knowing its disgusting because they feel they don’t have a choice rather than eating natural food that’s actually good for you, there’s also people that eat objects, which is not natural, called pica syndrome if I’m not mistaken, they eat from coins to nails and so on, and they feel like they don’t have a choice, and it hurts them badly but they just cant stop, some people like to have sex with animals, some are sexually attracted to children. Do they choose this? Some do, some don’t, but they all have psychological defects. Of course homosexuality wont harm you or other people around you like this physically, I don’t think any homosexual would want to harm somebody, yet the confusion is there. The fact is it has nothing with wanting to be yourself, you WANT to be a homosexual, so you would never even consider that, but the question may still linger inside of your soul. And about the challenge, I’m a woman so… haha
-”The fact of the matter is that any post op transgendered person has more balls than you could ever even imagine yourself having – these people are strong willed enough to stand against your weak, borrowed faith – they have seen the world for what it is, and find their place in it. You guys accept a vision of the world as seen through the eyes of some 4000 years dead tribal person, and believe that it is your belief. And then start to think that you have faith.”-
CLEARLY You have never read the bible, or understood the point of the stories for that matter. Logic is our strongest asset, use it.
-”The truth is you have nothing – nothing that wasn’t borrowed or spoon fed you since you were born. The truth is that you do not care enough about your environment to even give it the smallest portion of your attention. The truth is you are LAZY and you are a SHEEP, and you are perfectly happy to have someone else tell you what to think and what to believe.”-
Again, logic is our greatest asset, don’t assume every christian believes in the same thing the next one does, you are just doing the same thing the church does to you, I was starting to think you would know that by now of all people.
-”You people disgust me because you can’t even talk to another human being as a human being because you have an agenda – before you even know someone, you have an agenda. I look forward to the day when common sense prevails, where men and women can approach each other as people first, and steadfast religious folks like you are basically treated as if they were retarded.”-
You mean prejudice? I have to agree with you on that one, kinda hypocritical how the church hates homosexuals, you can be disgusted by homosexuality and disagree with it without being a homophobe, they are still human beings that deserve respect either way as long as they don’t hurt/confuse someone, luckily homophobic Christians are a minority amongst the christian community, I’m not religious but I like to keep an open minded view on the world. We are in a giant labyrinth and everybody is so sure they know the way out, some sink deeper inside and some reach dead ends, but only a few people actually think of climbing up the walls and finding the way out rather than blindly searching. This is why I know for a fact that homosexuality is not natural, as science, logic, psychology, nature and my own conclusion suggests, it has no balance or harmony and I cant lie to you but the thought of it sends chills down my spine, but doesn’t mean I would hate or not befriend one, think bout it for a second.
Mizu
Jenna you are 100% correct, when dogs need to mate they hump from pillows to your legs, that doesn’t mean their pillow-leg-sexual. And given a choice those wolves ALWAYS pick a female, plus I can assure you those dogs are thinking about females when they mate with ur foot. Human beings are the only ones on this planet with things like homosexuality that goes against nature, hence the sorry condition the planet is at.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
In Latin – Homo means human. But in Greek, it means same, as opposed to Hetero, which means different. Hence homogenous – the same throughout – vs heterogenous – mixed.
No-one’s asking you to modify your religion. You can believe what you like – that marriage for clergy has to be one man, one woman, but the laiety are allowed to be polygamous, as the Bible says – or that clergy must remain celibate, or paint their noses blue, or whatever.
We are respectfully asking that you abide by the US Constitution. And if you don’t like it, then change the Constitution to be in accordance with your religious beliefs, to re-introduce slavery, to withhold the franchise from women, or to discriminate against g@ys just because they’re g@y, or to introduce your particular religion as the only one allowable. Go for it. Fill your boots.
Homosexuality is not normal. Being Left-handed is not normal. But natural? Yes. And not a choice either, except for those who are bisexual (or ambidextrous).
I happen to be straight. That’s not a choice for me. I’m ambidextrous, so using my right hand rather than my left is.
Jenny
Oh so that’s why homo is in the word. Tho homosexuality is not natural, not in humanity or the animal kingdom as such theories were debunked, just because society tries to push it as being normal does not make it normal, there is a reason why lubricants and disinfectants are needed for homosexuals to begin with, all the rectum damage aside.
I don’t see much respect being shown by them, I see protests and in many cases rocks being tossed, no respect comes from the church either, its like a childish argument and nobody from either side stops to think. Anyways I explained I’m not religious already, not everybody who is against homosexuality being normal is a homophobe or a christian or a homophobic christian or satanic or anything. Modifying christianity to allow g@y marrige would be to contradict said freedoms from the US Constitution, they have freedom of speech and freedom of religion, they are in no way obligated to allow g@y marrige, it does not forbid homosexuals from fulfilling their right to seek happiness, but if they need to take somebody else’s right to complete theirs, shame on them, like I said they can just live together if they want it so bad, need to stop thinking that just because people disagree with them that people are therefor, homohobes, easy to dismiss logical comments that way, although the hate from the church is undoubtedly wrong as well, but then again they are like that over everything, hence why true christians don’t even go to church.
Lovely
I don’t know about the others, but the girl with the peace sign is Harisu, a Korean celebrity. Look her up because there are TONS of hot pictures of her (particularly the bikini ones!). Before anyone writes me off as a pig, let me clarify that I’m a straight girl lol.
Lovely
P.S. For those of you who think this is disgusting: Harisu’s married, so that’s at least one guy who’s not grossed out -_-
Banana Girl
People think lots of things, some people don’t find eating rotten food disgusting, so some men are bound to not find sleeping with a gay man with a female-looking body disgusting.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
Yes, some people even eat rotted milk – they call it “cheese”. I guess you’ve never done such a disgusting thing. Or drunk rotted grape juice, that they call “wine”.
Banana Girl
Its called “refining” so to speak, you cant drink rotten milk,. ud die, the process is quite different and juice doesnt rot, it ages, then you refine it with hops and ingredients if you make beer or wine… nice try tho. Eat rotten food and you risk your life.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
Funny, I could have sworn that some of the finest vintages were afflicted by the Botrytus organism. Otherwise known as “Noble Rot”. And that blue-vein cheese was deliberately contaminated with mould.
And that steaks and game are usually “aged” – left to partly putrefy – to make them more tender and palatable.
I’m Intersexed by the way. Born with a body neither wholly male nor wholly female. More F than M though, by a long way. 1 in 60 people are born Intersexed, though most never know as it would take a lab test to detect it – as some Olympic athletes have found out when they “fail a sex test”.
You could be one of them. Now what’s that about comparing a minority of people to “rotted food” again?
Banana Girl
Wait why are we discussing rotten food, I don’t know either. The only one comparing rotten food with homosexuals is you… I think, not sure. There is a difference between aging, refining and allowing food to rot. Bread gets hard as it ages, but under the right conditions it can grow a fungus that will get you sick, meat kept isolated from air will also age but not rot, if you leave it outside and not covered in salt, dangerous bacteria will come, and if you eat it guess what, you die. You dont even wanna defend homosexuality by defending rotten food, its disgusting and will kill you… if thats what your doing. And Im aware of your condition, I know your not a homosexual, but your situation has nothing to do with homosexuality or the men on this page for that matter, we know gender defects are a reality, but we are talking about homosexuals who try to change their gender, failing ofcourse.
Yesyusyus
Homosexuality lacks logic, and so does everybody who defends it as being normal or “natural”. Ultimately we are talking about guys who like to feel things going up their rectum and hairy chests. But many people are narrow-minded and think you are either a homosexual lover or a homophobe so they allow others to think for them.
Yesyusyus
Homosexuality lacks logic, and so does everybody who defends it as being normal or “natural”. Ultimately we are talking about guys who like to feel things going up their rec-tum and hairy chests. But many people are narrow-minded and think you are either a homosexual lover or a homophobe so they allow others to think for them.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
I don’t think many lesbians would agree with you. They’re generally nit into hairy chests or anal sex.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
***= s3x.
And note that some of the Trans women in those pictures are lesbian.
Sexual Orientation is different from Gender Identity. One’s to do with who you want to go to bed with; the other who you want to go to bed as. Even if that means the odds are you will never go to bed with anyone else ever again.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
******* = l3sbian
Yesyusyus
Sorry took me a while to understand your post just now because of the censoring, but now I get what you are saying. And yes I didn’t specify homosexual gender, I was referring to males, but quite true. Unless these men or women were born with the condition that unfortunate people like you have, they are confused homosexuals, which to our knowledge they are. But thats the problem we dont know that for sure unless we get scientific evidence for each of em, hence why people confuse both homosexuals and, sorry I keep forgetting, if you have the time what is this condition called? I don’t think hermaphrodite quite covers it. But yes the condition is a reality and its unfortunate that people like you have to suffer because of homosexual imitators so to speak, but I guess that’s how this world is, I hope some day they illegalize gender “transformation” for people who don’t got the condition, but then again people do have certain constitutional rights, we will see what happens.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
The condition is protandrous dichogamous pseudohermaphroditism.
But I thought I was standard transsexual (albeit mildly intersexed – the body was never wholly male, just mostly) for 47 years. I just never had the courage to do anything about it. As you can see from the spite and malice in many of the comments, trans women don’t get treated very well. Or even as human.
If I’m not to be grouped in with these women – it’s because I’m not worthy. I lacked their courage, and their honesty to be true to who they really are. I’m not proud of that, but again, looking at some of the comments here, I can’t blame myself overmuch either.
http://tyciol.livejournal.com Tyciol
Mostly bad believable examples here
But also some hot ones
http://www.sudhits.com news
oh have nong poi also
She very pretty
jenny
Hello to all of you out there.
As long as I care to remember I wanted to be a Girl (Women), Over the years I have tried to purge the feeling more times then I like to remember. I got married had 3 beautifull children a verry good proffesion and own my own house and some other assets. I have a sports car as a hobby and most of you would assume that this guy must be happy. I belive that I did most of the things to satisfy mysels that I AM A REAL MAN. But I know on my inside I know what I am and as the yeras go on the fellingd are getting stronger, I have brought and throughn out more close then I can remember thinken that this is the last time. But now I know what I am IAM A TRANSXESUAL AND PROUD OF IT I have always been a women deep in my soul and heard. I got to the stage now that i see Phsicologists and a Gender Specialist in order to get a finall glarification.
I am sick of living a lie. Last Octoiber I tried to comit suiside as I had enouch of living a double live. All I want is to be ME. Every time I see a women walking or I go through a ladies store I feel so envious that I am not what I should be God made a bad mistake.
I love all my children and wife with all my hard, but if I am not happy inside how can I be happy on the outside it just does not work, No at the age of 52 it is quite late and I wished I hade made the dessision earlier, becouse now I will hurt a lot of people closse to me but I want to be happy for the first time in my life with my self.
Jenny Please wish me luck if you have it in your hard.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
Hi Jenny!
Not only do I wish you luck, I may be able to help. There’s many resources out there on the net, advice on choosing surgeons etc. And moral support, for yourself, but also for partners and children.
You’re not alone.
Feel free to contact me via my website.
Roger
I have to comment. Gender identity and sexual orientation have nothing to do with each other. Most ‘transgendered’ Males to Females are attracted to women, and continue this preference after the reassignmemt.
People get confused very easily.. because what they usually see is a stereotype, and one that is not deserved.
Most of these people just feel like women and just want to be accepted as such. They didn’t ask to be where they are. They’re not flamouant, they aren’t gay, they just want to fit in and be accepted. To them they’re all ready not accepted.
These people are NOT homosexuals.. homosexuals do NOT want to change their bodies. Yet, even homosexuals get confued. Just resently, a transwoman ran as the tea party canidate in a Miami primary. Gays couldn’t understand how this person would be against gay marriage! The fact is that just because she’s not gay and not sympathetic. They are not the same even though people lump them in together.
That being said, I do think there are many cases were people are misguided or confused. People who do this often push others in their way of handling things, sometimes to justify their own decisions without taking the other persons situation fairly into account as it makes them feel better about their decision. These people can get caught up in this. Many of these people get ‘turned on’ by the idea of being a woman(or man) but find that there isn’t a thrill in the reality, just the idea.
So are these really the oppoite genddrphysically? No.. not really, but they don’t care.
Are they misguided? Well, in many cases.. but that’s not my place to judge.
its not my life it’s theirs.
Hmmm
Homosexuals do want to change their gender, and some dont, just because they make an operation to make them look female or make the law say they are female doesnt mean they are, in fact it should be illegal for the government to allow them to be legally called “females” when male to female operations. This is ofcourse unless they were actually born with such defects, not just because they think they failed to meet the standards of their genders because of group pressure or what ever reason they have of thinking they are a woman trapped in a man’s body.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
“Homosexuals do want to change their gender”… er, no. Not in the way you mean it.
Some do – they appear straight before, but are actually lesbian or gay. Then, after transition, their actual gay or lesbian status is revealed, as they remain attracted to the same sex as before.
Similarly, some appear gay or lesbian before transition, but are actually straight. Then, after transition, they appear straight, as again, their sexual orientation doesn’t change.
And just to confuse matters… a lot are asexual before transition, and then have their suppressed sexual orientation – which may be straight or gay – revealed once their bodies match their actual sex.
As regards Intersex conditions – those born with a body neither wholly male nor wholly female, which you make an exception for – here’s the abstract of a recent summary of our medical knowledge,
“The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the male direction through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. In this way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. However, since sexual differentiation of the genitals takes place in the first two months of pregnancy and sexual differentiation of the brain starts in the second half of pregnancy, these two processes can be influenced independently, which may result in extreme cases in trans-sexuality. This also means that in the event of ambiguous sex at birth, the degree of masculinization of the genitals may not reflect the degree of masculinization of the brain. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender identity or sexual orientation.”
– Sexual Hormones and the Brain: An Essential Alliance for Sexual Identity and Sexual Orientation Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
The one-line summary: the “reason they have of thinking they are a woman trapped in a man’s body.” is because it’s true, anatomically speaking. Female brain in male body, or the reverse. It’s worth remarking that it happens to boys too, they (with a few exceptions such as Chaz Bone) just attract less prurient interest.
See for example:
Male–to–female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus. Kruiver et al J Clin Endocrinol Metab (2000) 85:2034–2041
S3xual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism and s3xual orientation. Swaab Gynecol Endocrinol (2004) 19:301–312.
A s3x difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality. by Zhou et al Nature (1995) 378:68–70.
A s3x difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity by Garcia-Falgueras et al Brain. 2008 Dec;131(Pt 12):3132-46.
The cross-sexed brain causes certain easily and objectively measurable differences, in addition to the obvious symptoms of Transsexuality. See for example:
Male-to-female transsexuals show s3x-atypical hypothalamus activation when smelling odorous steroids by Berglund et al Cerebral Cortex 2008 18(8):1900-1908;
Note that these findings only apply to Transsexuals, not Homosexuals. G@y men are men, not women.
There are parts of the brain where straight men and l3sbian women have similar anatomy, and gay men and straight women likewise. But that’s in another area entirely, one not directly relevant to s3xual identity.
Hmmm
Yep, true, but still the fact remains, Im talking about homosexuals, most that think they are a woman trapped in a man’s body are simply confused, like you said before, its extremely rare when it does happen, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are very messed up people out there that think they are men trapped in a woman’s body or a woman trapped in a man’s body when there is no evidence of such in their cases, most of the time with a questionable psychological background, or they got confused from childhood. As real as this genetical defect is for society, there is a worse decease out there called confusion.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
Such people would never get through the barriers placed by the psych profession to weed them out. It takes years of constant psych assessment and testing before surgery is authorised, and the case must be independently peer-reviewed by a post-doctoral specialist. That’s in the Standards of Care, the medical best practice.
It takes at least 3 months of assessment before hormones are authorised; then a period of at least a year, two in some jurisdictions, of living in the target gender role – often after years of hormone treatment before then. And then not one, but two different authorisations, to ensure that no “confused gay” gets through – though they usually drop out as soon as the effects (impotence etc) of hormones are felt.
While it’s not impossible that some “confused gays” may repeatedly lie over years and get surgery… it might be 1 in 10,000. Or less.
Hmmm
Yea I gotta agree with you, the process itself would be very extreme, and although many homosexuals do go through it, its still a minority, at least according to statistics. I mean I know Im being bold but you would have to be insane to go through that, you really would have to, so they would have to be really messed up, or really(sorry I forget the name of the condition) hermaphrodites that have a reason, just to try and describe the birth defect.
JohnyNL
I don’t know about all the others, but I know number 20 is real! ( girl in pink with pink hair band) That’s Kelly (formerly Ferry), She is a celebrity here in the Netherlands, before her Sex-change, she won the Transvestite-award, and after she participated in the 1st Big Brother Show.
And if I’m not mistaken, number 14 had her sex change around the age of 17, and ended up becoming 1 of the bond Girls and been a Playgirl 2.
I don’t get the problem, Some look even happier and prettier as Woman, If that’s there choice, why are most people so stuck up about it?
Thank god that we are more open-minded here in the Netherlands!
http://www.saygeneral.com jennifer
I am sick of living a lie. Last Octoiber I tried to comit suiside as I had enouch of living a double live. All I want is to be ME. Every time I see a women walking or I go through a ladies store I feel so envious that I am not what I should be God made a bad mistake.
I love all my children and wife with all my hard, but if I am not happy inside how can I be happy on the outside it just does not work, No at the age of 52 it is quite late and I wished I hade made the dessision earlier, becouse now I will hurt a lot of people closse to me but I want to be happy for the first time in my life with my self.
http://aebrain.blogspot.com Zoe Brain
Jennifer – I’m 52 as well. Transitioned from a standing start in 2005.
I learnt the meaning of the word “happiness” then.
It’s not easy, it is often heartbreaking, you must be prepared to lose everything… but not everyone does. I lost nothing. That’s unusual, but it happens too.
Feel free to contact me, You don’t have to do this alone.
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